Not a fan of it by any means, but it shit down ~11 days ago and no one mentioned it.

Every link to something on the instance redirects to this: https://imgur.com/XpxDJTg

Since lemmy posts are links, every image post is now that image.

The admin (local account on lemm.ee https://lemm.ee/u/hamid@vegantheoryclub.org ) said it was because of the harassment culture on lemmy (https://lemm.ee/post/64686772 ), and blamed sunshine and beaver for doing something? (https://lemm.ee/post/63664605/20610349 – the post this is in reply to is gone, but the comment is in the local copy of the person’s profile.)

Anyone know what happened?

  • toomanypancakes@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    5 days ago

    Admin always wanted it to be a small instance for friends, he was pushed into federating by sunshine, who is beaver and several others as well by my understanding. Then the political situation in the US continued deteriorating, and between the risks, the stalking, and all the general harassment that comes from operating a public vegan community he saw no benefits to keeping it up and shut it down.

    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
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      5 days ago

      Admin always wanted it to be a small instance for friends, he was pushed into federating by sunshine

      What the fuck are you talking about? When did this happen, do you have a link? This is bonkers.

      sunshine, who is beaver and several others as well

      What others?

      I sort of hesitate to feed into made-up-from-whole-cloth Lemmy drama, which this definitely seems to be, but I’m giving you enough benefit of the doubt to at least ask for reasons for why you’re saying this stuff.

      • toomanypancakes@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 days ago

        I’ve talked to hamid outside of lemmy. I’m just sharing what happened as best as I can recall from a perspective that’s not Sunshine’s, since she’s already all over this thread and she was a factor in him deciding to shut it down.

          • toomanypancakes@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            5 days ago

            I didn’t save them so I can’t recall specifics, but I’ve seen receipts. Sorry my info is kinda spotty, since I did ECT my memory isn’t the best.

              • toomanypancakes@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                5 days ago

                I don’t know what you want from me? Sorry I got treatment for depression? Believe me or don’t, I don’t really care, but that’s why he closed the server if you’re curious.

                • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
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                  5 days ago

                  In most of the world as it should be, the process is:

                  • Someone makes accusations against another person
                  • Someone else asks why, backing behind the accusations
                  • There is a response indicating the “why” because that’s a sensible thing to ask

                  In toomanypancakes-world, apparently, it is:

                  • Someone makes accusations against another person
                  • How dare you I know I saw receipts but I can’t find them right now anyway I’m disabled so it’s not fair for you to ask that kind of thing but I’m certain that these outlandish accusations I am making are accurate

                  I’m not asking you to apologize for seeking treatment. I’m asking you to back up the accusations you made. That’s a fair thing to ask you to do, and sidestepping into whining about how I’m oppressing your issues because I am asking for it is bullshit.

        • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          4 days ago

          Beaver, subshine, aqua, and others are all the same person.

          She moderated !vegan@lemmy.world for a while with myself and others. She caused endless drama and became increasingly derranged. After we lost interest in light of the lemmy.world admins anti vegan and antiscientific stance and handed over the community she kept an alt with mod powers. She then used the powers weeks later to cause problems for the new mod.

          On vtc she became increasingly derranged and harassy. Appears fixated on Hamid, and constantly posts shit to those dumb harassment/drama communities. Like every little thing Hamid said. It was dumb as fuck, I don’t agree with Hamid on some things but he was just running a chill instance for vegans to enjoy each other’s company.

          • rustyfish@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 days ago

            After we lost interest in light of the lemmy.world admins anti vegan and antiscientific stance

            What exactly are you talking about? Not that cat food thing, right?

            • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              3 days ago

              The admin banned a user who was calmly linking scientific papers and giving gentle explanations to a user belligerently claiming it was impossible yes.

      • Sunshine (she/her)@lemmy.caEnglish
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        5 days ago

        I mean it’s a pretty influential instance since that’s where the lead developers reside. It would be pretty normal for everyone using lemmy to have them “live rent free in their heads”

        • eureka@aussie.zoneEnglish
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          5 days ago

          “live rent free in their heads” doesn’t mean to be aware of someone, it’s talking about obsession. That cm lad constantly tries to bring up “.ml” out of nowhere to incite drama, and I just took a glance at their user profile and holy moly it’s almost entirely just reposting from lemmy.ml.

          Like just look at https://lemmy.world/post/30613970/17403019, a content creator is asking them to stop reposting their work to a certain community and telling them how it’s harmful, and cm0002 is just using that as an excuse to handwave it and soapbox. This is unhealthy antisocial behaviour.

          • cm0002@lemmy.world
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            4 days ago

            That cm lad constantly tries to bring up “.ml” out of nowhere to incite drama, and I just took a glance at their user profile and holy moly it’s almost entirely just reposting from lemmy.ml.

            Lol

            1. I don’t do it out of “no where” I generally stick to relevant threads

            2. I have plenty of my own posts. In general, I try to aim for a 1:2 ratio, for every crosspost I post 2 articles/content that aren’t cross-posts (.ml isn’t actually all that busy lmao)

            3. lemmy.ml is probably the biggest threat to the long term viability of the Lemmy-verse. It’s just so amazing(/S) to come across comments out in the wild on say Reddit that goes along the lines of “I tried that Lemmy place, but it seemed to be just a bunch of tankies/run be Tankies” because they had the misfortune to land on lemmy.ml

            stop reposting their work to a certain community and telling them how it’s harmful

            Yea, harmful to the .ml instance …which is kinda the whole point of a boycott, to put pressure on the target to either change their ways or fall to irrelevancy

            Recap Post

                • Norah (pup/it/she)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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                  4 days ago

                  I’m not stupid, I know that .m(arxist)l(eninist) is a tankie instance. But what the other user stated, that you’ve made it your entire personality to bring it up whenever possible, also rings true ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        • Sunshine (she/her)@lemmy.caEnglish
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          5 days ago

          It was a long saga of me documenting a few examples of his problematic views on issues, then followed by him reacting strongly towards the reception. He has sent me a group invite on matrix before shutting down the instance which I declined because of the disrespectful language he has used towards me in the past.

          VTC has defederated from Lemmy.world, Lemmy.ca and SJW for being “too right-wing”

          The user Hamid wont be pleased being discussed on !fedilore@lemmy.ca again.

          Here are some links and screenshots for context on the whole situation:

          1. https://lemm.ee/post/39131639

          2. https://lemm.ee/post/56371198

          3. https://web.archive.org/web/20250523082426/https://vegantheoryclub.org/post/1129019

          4. https://web.archive.org/web/20250523082609/https://vegantheoryclub.org/u/hamid

          5. https://web.archive.org/web/20250602172829/https://lemmy.ml/post/30508506

          • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
            1·
            5 days ago

            The wild thing is, I actually agree with Hamid’s self-described stance he leads off with here, about places like NCD. I unsubscribed from one of the Ukraine communities because they kept posting videos of dying Russian soldiers, and I completely agree with Hamid’s self-expressed horror at the NCD type of video game aficionado “big fan of Russians dying every time” mindset which doesn’t seem to have a lot of understanding of what they’re really rooting for. I definitely can detect some amount of that in my own postings and there are people who take it a lot further than I do.

            Where me and Hamid have issues is that he seems to take that type of reaction to anything less than full throated full agreement with literally 100% of what he has to say about anything. He can’t seem to see any kind of discrepancy between “let’s literally kill everyone in Israel they all deserve it, even the toddlers” versus “well Ukraine fighting back isn’t something to celebrate, you know those Russian soldiers are victims too” and he will viciously attack you as a monstrous piece of shit on a personal level if you disagree with either one of those statements.

            And then, of course, he’ll combine that with whining extensively if anyone has the temerity to disagree or criticize him on anything. Like yes buddy. I know people who’ve been crippled by the US empire machine. I’m by all means not in favor of it, especially not now. That still means I can tell you to go fuck yourself and your viewpoint in some area where I think you’re wrong. I’m not trying to be unsympathetic but you are extremely unsympathetic to anyone who isn’t you, so it’s hard to take you seriously when you demand super kind treatment from the people you’re simultaneously shitting on and defederating.

          • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
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            5 days ago

            I almost feel bad for that user they seem to take everything way to personally and that’s not a great headspace on the internet even if you try to curate it into a personal safe space.

  • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    5 days ago

    Got shut down after this post on MOG was made:

    Which he (Hamid) responded to with this:

    This was the last comment he made:

    I think I am for real I’m done with Lemmy lol

    This is the funniest part of the harassment thread

    This comment is talking about Sunshine/Beaver who came to my instance after that. I had nothing to do with it 🤷‍♀️

    tl;dr: he was sick of getting into lemmy drama

    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
      1·
      5 days ago
      1. Makes deliberately inflammatory comment to make a point
      2. People are mildly rude in response to the inflammatory comment
      3. HOW DARE YOU, I’M LITERALLY CRYING, I’M GOING HOME FOREVER

      1 is fine. 2 is fine. That’s how things work. I have no idea, though, how someone who reacts with 3 expects to be able to manage ordinary day-to-day life. Let alone weigh in on a situation of death and destruction and geopolitical crime against humanity. Like, if this is your bar for what makes you quit, your movement is going to be pretty fucking easy for the establishment to destroy.

      I’m not saying that everyone needs to toughen up and put up with whatever treatment they receive. I’m just saying that, in particular since it looks like the #2 response was actually quite a bit milder than the #1 inflammatory original post, the DARVO reaction featured in #3 seems kind of needlessly extra.