It’s one I’ve heard more than a few times before from liberal “allies” who love to talk down to any queer people that don’t debase themselves to whatever local liberal party that pretends to care about us and our rights while doing nothing to actually help us or even fight those trying to actively destroy us.

Like, I don’t know what gay or trans people had to go through under Stalin and it probably wasn’t good given this was the early 20th century and communist movements weren’t very good on queer rights back then but even if Stalin was personally ordering the execution of gay & trans people what does that even matter? How is that some kind of stunning rebuke of communism? One communist does some bad stuff and somehow all of communism is responsible as if Karl Marx himself wrote “kill them removed lmao” in the Manifesto or something?

Why is Stalin and Stalin alone the arbitrator of what is and isn’t communism? Do these people think he’s the only communist to have ever existed? What about all the gay & trans communists that were contemporaries of him? Do they just not matter? I don’t know, maybe this belongs more in the “Shit Reactionaries Say” community.

Stalin could’ve been the most queerphobic person in history for all I care. That doesn’t have any impact on whether or not queer people belong in the communist movement. It’s just an intellectually lazy argument. Like, I don’t care? Why would I care what Stalin would’ve done to me? I don’t live under Stalin. Stalin is dead. Stalin isn’t the only communist to exist, much less to lead a country. I don’t worship Stalin the way liberals worship Obama.

Castro had gay people tortured, later realized & admitted he was wrong to do so, and worked to expand queer rights in Cuba. Perfect? Not at all, but at least he was willing to grow and change things for the better even in old age.

Obama ran on a campaign of anti-gay marriage until Biden told him it was popular and he changed his stance so he could win, let the Supreme Court do all the work for him, then promptly did fuck all to improve the conditions of gays in the US. His party has since abandoned trans people and is now trying to abandon gays too.

It’s almost like communists have actual moral compasses and can change their views when presented with new information while liberals are self-serving ghouls that only care about what’s popular or financially beneficial to them.

Yet you point out that queer rights are only being taken seriously by Left-wing movements these days and libs cry about how it’s just commies trying to manipulate or deceive people. Pure fucking projection.

Sorry for the rant this ended up being longer than I intended.

  • IHave69XiBucks@lemmygrad.ml
    44·
    10 days ago

    When the west liberated the concentration camps in Germany many of the gay survivors were either not released at all, and just kept in there, or they were re-arrested soon after.

    The man who solved the enigma code, Alan Turing, was a gay man. His reward for contributing more to the war effort than any other British person was that they chemically castrated him. He took his own life soon after.

    Nowhere was good for gay people in 1945. Atleast in the USSR you had womens rights. Arguably better than the ones modern women in the USA have almost 100 years later.

    • Soot [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      16·
      10 days ago

      It’s probably worth mentioning that though his death was ruled a suicide, and it’s plausible, there are a lot of doubts around it.

      Basically none of his family and friends believed suicide was likely. He had just written up a to-do list, so it wasn’t planned at least. It would’ve been quite easy for him to accidentally poison himself with cyanide. Nobody bothered to test for cyanide anywhere at the scene. And a biographer noted he was now a marginalised person with significant knowledge of state intel and would’ve been an extreme and obvious Cold War risk.