Boot space: 8 banana boxes/470 L (manufacturer says so)
Power: 335 hp
Range: 547 km
Price: 486 700 NOK
BMW i4 xDrive40
Boot space: 5 banana boxes/470 L (manufacturer says so)
Power: 400 hp
Range: 533 km
Price: 617 000 NOK
Software is subjective, I guess. But in my opinion always-on heavy regenerative braking, no indicator stalk, shift buttons in the ceiling, and a complete lack of other buttons, are pretty glaring issues. The Tesla is in no way leaps and bounds ahead of the competition.
By buying a Tesla, you are choosing to support a company that actively works against the rules-based international order, and against the interests of the country you live in. You are supporting them with hundreds of thousands of kroner. Our position as consumers is the only way we can effect change in today’s world, and by supporting Tesla you are wasting it.
It looks like you used ChatGPT here because some of these are incorrect. Especially the boot space for the Tesla. It appears that ChatGPT cited this but Tesla very clearly provides measurements for the boot with the rear seats up: 822L. 938 if we include the frunk. Adac.de is off by 123%. Further, banana boxes are rectangular. They don’t measure the actual capacity of a boot. Most people aren’t strictly loading their boot with rectangular suitcases. We load them up with things like groceries, jackets, golf clubs, and duffel bags. I’m also confused as to why you would use hp instead of 0-100kph. Because of the very different technologies used in these cars, hp doesn’t accurately represent performance. I updated your table with the correct info:
Tesla Model Y AWD LR
Boot space: 822 L + frunk 116 L
0-100kmh: 4.8s
Range: 586 km
Price: 535 813 NOK
KIA EV6 AWD LR
Boot space: 490 L (480 L with premium sound) + frunk 20 L
0-100kmh: 5.2s
Range: 546 km
Price: 519 900 NOK
VW ID.4 GTX Businessline
Boot space: 543 L (no frunk)
0-100kmh: 5.4s
Range: 505 km
Price: 524 272 NOK
Skoda Elroq RS
Boot space: 470 L (no frunk)
0-100kmh: 5.4s
Range: 547 km
Price: 486 700 NOK
BMW i4 xDrive40
Boot space: 470 L (hatch; no frunk)
0-100kmh 5.1s
Range: 533 km
Price: 617 000 NOK
These are some fairly large differences. Especially in terms of boot space, which is quite important for families.
But in my opinion always-on heavy regenerative braking, no indicator stalk, shift buttons in the ceiling, and a complete lack of other buttons, are pretty glaring issues.
The Model Y has always retained the indicator and shift stalks. However I would also prefer more physical buttons.
By buying a Tesla, you are choosing to support a company that actively works against the rules-based international order, and against the interests of the country you live in. You are supporting them with hundreds of thousands of kroner. Our position as consumers is the only way we can effect change in today’s world, and by supporting Tesla you are wasting it.
All of the car companies above have been involved in immoral and illegal activities. Far worse than Tesla, including child labour, slave labour, Nazi collaboration, and Dieselgate. If you wish for people to not purchase from companies which have acted immorally or illegal, which ones do you suggest? Personally, I wish for companies to become more competitive. Shaming people for buying better products doesn’t really work. What works is producing better products.
I did not use ChatGPT. I wrote and formatted all of that myself. I used Bjørn Nyland’s banana box test (google docs link) and ADAC’s measurements where they were available. The only number I could find on Tesla’s website was “2138 L”, which seemed unrealistic to me, and I assumed ADAC would have more objective data.
I stand corrected about the indicator stalk. I still don’t believe it has a shift stalk. The website only mentions the touch screen and overhead buttons, and Top Gear says that it doesn’t have one.
VW was founded by nazis, sure. But they are not actively supporting nazis currently. Tesla is supporting authoritarianism, immigration detention centres, and one-sided and unpredictable trade barriers that impose an unfair disadvantage on European manufacturers. And the company’s CEO actually performs nazi salutes at rallies. Surely you can see the difference? I wouldn’t suggest that you buy a German car in the thirties.
I think this should be a big part of your purchasing decision. By collectively not supporting Tesla, we can make them change their policies. You don’t make a lot of concessions when buying a Hyundai or Skoda instead. And if you like competition so much, maybe you shouldn’t buy from the company that supports massive tariffs on European, Japanese, and Korean cars?
I can confirm the 2023, 2024, and 2025 Model Ys all have indicator stalks here in Norway and Denmark
Skoda is part of the VW group, which was found guilty of cheating emissions standards. The environmental damage caused by this is nearly incalculable, but studies indicate 1,200 people dill die prematurely as a result in Europe alone, and 60 in the U.S. They estimate that 2,600 more deaths could have been prevented had VW fully recalled and retrofitted all affected vehicles by 2017 - but they did not.
Hyundai has also been found to be cheating emissions standards, and were found to be using child labour in Alabama.
I’m sorry but if you think a Nazi salute or political donations are worse than child labour and killing thousands of people, I think you need to realign your priorities.
Tesla Model Y AWD LR
KIA EV6 AWD LR
VW ID.4 GTX Businessline
Skoda Elroq RS
BMW i4 xDrive40
Software is subjective, I guess. But in my opinion always-on heavy regenerative braking, no indicator stalk, shift buttons in the ceiling, and a complete lack of other buttons, are pretty glaring issues. The Tesla is in no way leaps and bounds ahead of the competition.
By buying a Tesla, you are choosing to support a company that actively works against the rules-based international order, and against the interests of the country you live in. You are supporting them with hundreds of thousands of kroner. Our position as consumers is the only way we can effect change in today’s world, and by supporting Tesla you are wasting it.
It looks like you used ChatGPT here because some of these are incorrect. Especially the boot space for the Tesla. It appears that ChatGPT cited this but Tesla very clearly provides measurements for the boot with the rear seats up: 822L. 938 if we include the frunk. Adac.de is off by 123%. Further, banana boxes are rectangular. They don’t measure the actual capacity of a boot. Most people aren’t strictly loading their boot with rectangular suitcases. We load them up with things like groceries, jackets, golf clubs, and duffel bags. I’m also confused as to why you would use hp instead of 0-100kph. Because of the very different technologies used in these cars, hp doesn’t accurately represent performance. I updated your table with the correct info:
Tesla Model Y AWD LR
Boot space: 822 L + frunk 116 L
0-100kmh: 4.8s
Range: 586 km
Price: 535 813 NOK
KIA EV6 AWD LR
Boot space: 490 L (480 L with premium sound) + frunk 20 L
0-100kmh: 5.2s
Range: 546 km
Price: 519 900 NOK
VW ID.4 GTX Businessline
Boot space: 543 L (no frunk)
0-100kmh: 5.4s
Range: 505 km
Price: 524 272 NOK
Skoda Elroq RS
Boot space: 470 L (no frunk)
0-100kmh: 5.4s
Range: 547 km
Price: 486 700 NOK
BMW i4 xDrive40
Boot space: 470 L (hatch; no frunk)
0-100kmh 5.1s
Range: 533 km
Price: 617 000 NOK
These are some fairly large differences. Especially in terms of boot space, which is quite important for families.
The Model Y has always retained the indicator and shift stalks. However I would also prefer more physical buttons.
All of the car companies above have been involved in immoral and illegal activities. Far worse than Tesla, including child labour, slave labour, Nazi collaboration, and Dieselgate. If you wish for people to not purchase from companies which have acted immorally or illegal, which ones do you suggest? Personally, I wish for companies to become more competitive. Shaming people for buying better products doesn’t really work. What works is producing better products.
I did not use ChatGPT. I wrote and formatted all of that myself. I used Bjørn Nyland’s banana box test (google docs link) and ADAC’s measurements where they were available. The only number I could find on Tesla’s website was “2138 L”, which seemed unrealistic to me, and I assumed ADAC would have more objective data.
I stand corrected about the indicator stalk. I still don’t believe it has a shift stalk. The website only mentions the touch screen and overhead buttons, and Top Gear says that it doesn’t have one.
VW was founded by nazis, sure. But they are not actively supporting nazis currently. Tesla is supporting authoritarianism, immigration detention centres, and one-sided and unpredictable trade barriers that impose an unfair disadvantage on European manufacturers. And the company’s CEO actually performs nazi salutes at rallies. Surely you can see the difference? I wouldn’t suggest that you buy a German car in the thirties.
I think this should be a big part of your purchasing decision. By collectively not supporting Tesla, we can make them change their policies. You don’t make a lot of concessions when buying a Hyundai or Skoda instead. And if you like competition so much, maybe you shouldn’t buy from the company that supports massive tariffs on European, Japanese, and Korean cars?
I can confirm the 2023, 2024, and 2025 Model Ys all have indicator stalks here in Norway and Denmark
Skoda is part of the VW group, which was found guilty of cheating emissions standards. The environmental damage caused by this is nearly incalculable, but studies indicate 1,200 people dill die prematurely as a result in Europe alone, and 60 in the U.S. They estimate that 2,600 more deaths could have been prevented had VW fully recalled and retrofitted all affected vehicles by 2017 - but they did not.
Hyundai has also been found to be cheating emissions standards, and were found to be using child labour in Alabama.
I’m sorry but if you think a Nazi salute or political donations are worse than child labour and killing thousands of people, I think you need to realign your priorities.
Lastly, Musk clearly doesn’t support tariffs:
If you would join me in not buying from VW or Skoda, we could send a message to these companies that killing people and using child labour is wrong.