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Escalates
Escalates more
Escalates harder
One more time with feeling
Russia has been a European issue to deal with for centuries. The current mess is because of US interference after WW2 and all the Cold War crap. Russia has always wanted to be treated as part of Europe and have a year-round warm water port. Two things that the aristocracy/oligarchy have fought to deny them. Climate change is giving Russia the portsl, while Trump is handing them a new relationship with Europe. The US leaving Europe should have happened decades ago and should be viewed as a good thing; ripping off the band-aid/plaster.
it was bound to happen that the US was gonna abandon the nazi outpost seeing that the war is lost, at least to save face saying in the future “we tried to make peace (because we failed winning a war) but ukraine didn’t listen”
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That leaves Ukraine three options. The first is to rely on Europe stepping in to supply the weapons and equipment it needs. The second – proposed earlier this month by Zelensky – was to buy US made weapons from Washington with European money. The third is to make the weapons it needs in Ukrainian factories, funded by money from European allies.
where is the “total capitulation” option? remarkable how western press is still producing these fantastical articles.
the meat grinder gets very hungry if you don’t feed it people for too long
Because Ukrain is a soverein state and doesnt want to become Russian? I applaude the ressiliance Ukrain has against Russia.
I applaude zelensky sovereignly being treated as a pet in the white house.
Sovereign? Why do liberals keep saying this word in the context of ukraine? Its not only wrong, but also, I don’t see how its relevant. But maybe it means something else to libs. Maybe it means “ruled by ‘whites’” again…
Sovereign means signing a mineral deal for nearly all of your natural resources in exchange for dwindling material support after you genocided too many russian-speakers and the neighboring country of the same ethnicity had to intervene.
Sovereign means having to kneel before the US president in turn at the white house and enduring being scolded in national television.
Sounds like they gave that up when they decided to become a Nazi state dedicated to being a proxy for the imperialist west.
I applaud Russia for not justifiably shooting every Ukrainian soldier in the head as they go. Would be the best move imo. Anyways you get to watch the german horse-cock polishers collapse into a desperate gang of Nazis trying to stay alive again as Russia moves in. Enjoy, libshit!
Also you type like a dipshit, Slabba Poopani!!!
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Thanks for wasting our time.
Russia doesn’t particularly want Ukraine either. Just the shoreline to make Transnistria survivable and Kharkov for Moscow’s safety. Ideally. I’m not even sure the shitlibs in Kremlin think that way.
Hungary or whoever can have the rest and deal with the most rabid nazis there, honestly.
Hungary or whoever can have the rest
oh god no, hungary can barely run itself, dont give us more land and especially dont give us non-hungarian citizens, we cant be trusted
There can just be a landlocked “sovereign” piece left. But that’ll be like… Europe’s ISIS or something.
Honestly, Russia is best equiped to deal with this, what with FSB having experience with the sort of CtO that will definitely be needed in Ukraine afterwards from the second Chechen war. It’s just…again? Shit took some ten years last time.
What a load of crap. Moscow wants to prevent Ukraine from joining the NATO. Nobody is going to Russify Ukraine beyond replacing its current government with one that is more pro-Russian. Get over yourself.
Lmao there is no more American sentiment than “Here, take this pinless grenade”
This just means the US is moving focus to Iran and then China
The good news we can draw from this is that Europe will already be too stretched out with its war with Russia and they won’t be able to join the US.
Yeah, not sure if that makes a lot of difference
The empire is probably going all out this time.
If they really do start a war with Iran, they can forget about China at that point.
well they USAF has relocated quite a few logistic suport aircraft from the US to the middle east, and they are pulling forces out of the south china sea to the middle east. It is looking likely that they will change focus to this new shiney thing, especialy given they have hated Iran ever sense the Sha left
It is looking very likely that the US is going to enter the war at this point.
my biggest worry right now is I cannot think of any country that both can aid iran at the moment and is willing. I will admit my regional knolege of the politic of the middle east is not amazing, and has been streched to its limit, but from my limited understanding I am worried Iran is going to be left to go this alone
It’s worth noting that Iran absolutely does get support from both Russia and China. There’s even a direct rail line going from China through Russia to Iran now. Iran is also a country of 90 million people, with a strong industrial base, its own energy, and food security. It’s not really clear to me how the US plans to invade Iran to be honest. The logistics situation is very much stacked against them, and Iran has advanced weapons that can take out US assets like carriers and destroy their bases in the region. Short of going nuclear, Israel and the US will lose this war.
I do not doubt there will be some aid from China, my worry was that Russia is too tied up to provide aid.
That being said now that Pakistan extended their nuclear umbrella I am less concerned about a nuclear war, before then I was quite concered either the US or Israel would use nukes.
Oh did Pakistan actually say that Iran is under their nuclear umbrella now? Last I saw they pledged support for Iran, but didn’t really specify the details.
I think even without the US going to war with Iran, they’d still have to wait years to go to war with China.
Could still happen, hopefully doesn’t though.
I’d argue the fact that Russia was able to defeat NATO in Ukraine is proof that we’re long past the point where the west could take on China. The danger is that people running the empire don’t seem to understand this.
Oh, for sure. I agree. I think in their demented minds they expect to be able to defeat China in a few years though.
It’s just kind of incredible to watch them continuously taking Ls on every front, but being utterly incapable of taking a step back and doing a bare minimum of introspection.
It must be the lead and the microplastics because even Britain knew when to say “yeah kept the seat warm for you big dog lemme head out” instead of stubbornly poking the bear and starting shit all over once America yanked the empire off their hands.
Yeah because the most demonically racist people on earth just shrugged and said “at least they’re white” when America took over (granted, that’s not fully true either, there definitely was a lot of pushback against America in Britain in the inter war period as they tried to isolate the Sterling Area but were unsuccessful)
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They took a W against Hezbollah, W against Syria, will get a W against Iran if nobody else steps in to assist, Ukraine is essentially a draw for them since they never intended to win really just weaken Russia
Hezbollah is still around last I checked, Syria is not exactly a win either given that it’s incredibly volatile, and now the west will be forced to pour resources into it to keep a pro western regime in power. Ukraine is absolutely not a draw by any metric. Russia has come out of the war far stronger, and the west is now teetering on an economic crash. On top of that, Russia showed that NATO weapons are not superior, that NATO lacks industrial capacity to take on peer competitors, and that you don’t need the West for your economy to thrive. Russia is growing at over 4% right now economically, while the west is in a recession. Finally, there’s now a whole alternative economic system forming entirely outside the west. Calling this a draw is frankly silly.
Yeah I don’t know anymore. I feel like China would let them isolate them, surround them on all sides, start picking off leaders and infrastructure and still move at a glacial pace to react. It seems like they are just completely incapable of proactive geopolitical moves. All they can do is slowly react
I disagree, China simply isn’t acting bombastically, but the support they provided Russia was absolutely critical for keeping Russian economy humming along after the divorce with the west. China has also been instrumental in organizing BRICS and turning it into a viable alternative to the Western economic system.
the support they provided Russia was absolutely critical for keeping Russian economy humming along after the divorce with the west.
This support basically amounted to “continued trade and ignored sanctions”. The one thing China is good at is continuing trade. They didn’t actually do much to help Russia in any other way, and in fact have made counterproductive moves diplomatically in the UN. I do have to admit them ignoring sanctions is surprising though, as even this bare minimum bar is rarely ever met by them. They helped starve out DPRK.
China has also been instrumental in organizing BRICS and turning it into a viable alternative to the Western economic system.
What good is BRICs if they don’t pursue de-dollarization and don’t assist each other militarily? I guess we get some fun conferences?
They helped starve out DPRK.
What are you literally talking about? Maybe stop listening to the rad-libs on Hexbear about China?
They didn’t actually do much to help Russia in any other way, and in fact have made counterproductive moves diplomatically in the UN
Russia never required them nor asked for any other help. It’s also clear that Russia has had no problem dealing with NATO on its own militarily. Meanwhile, no idea what these counterproductive moves diplomatically in the UN that you refer to are.
They helped starve out DPRK.
Weird way to say they ensured DPRK actually made it through the western sanctions.
What good is BRICs if they don’t pursue de-dollarization and don’t assist each other militarily? I guess we get some fun conferences?
They do pursue dedollariation, maybe spend a bit of time actually understanding the subject you’re attempting to debate here?
a negotiated peaceful settlement is in the best interest of both parties and our nation’s interests.
A good faith position that is both genuine and sure to be applied similarly to America’s many other proxy wars of aggression.
They’re not leaving. They’ve already switched sides.
“Drumpf is putler agent!1!!”
fuck off
This is the kind of nuanced analysis I’d expect from someone whose usual hobbies include sniffing glue and licking windows
