Third truth, it’s not just Israeli leaders who are promoting the violence against Palestine, and many of those that do use their Judaism as a shield against criticism.
fourth truth, more White American Protestants defend the genocide than there are Jewish people in America so you gotta be careful
The fuck I do! Supporters of the genocide deserve to be called out no matter their religion, but it also needs to be called out when people support the genocide and utilize the charge of anti-semitism to justify it.
At this rate, “anti-semitism” is starting to mean anti-genocide.
Anyone who doesn’t believe in a two-state solution is a terrorist to me.
that was a general “you gotta be careful” and i didn’t mean you specifically XD
…until you went and composed that thoroughly self embarrassing message. now i mean it. be careful, you’re treading strange waters that are going nowhere.
Perhaps this is a case where we’re misunderstanding each other (no doubt more so in my case.) I must be missing something because I don’t find the intent behind my response to be embarrassing, but I am open to the fact that it reads differently than I intended.
What I reject is that I need to be afraid of speaking up against Israel (or to the Zionists abroad) or to be afraid of the “anti-Semitic” label. To your point, there are reasons to be afraid, to be careful. But to me we must speak the truth despite those reasons. Part of that truth is undoubtedly that the Israeli government is empowered by the Christians in the US and in turn the US government.
I am NOT anti-Semitic, but I’m confident in my belief that calling out ANYONE (regardless of their religion) for their support of the Palestinian genocide is the right thing. If someone is to label that anti-Semitic I believe they are weaponizing that term.
May I ask pointedly, what specifically are you saying to be careful of?
again, that was a very general statement. we gotta be careful. like, “rule of thumb: a genocide merits care.” as in, “taking care of what you do and say is a good thing.” or “based on previous statements, we can conclude that the future needs are not given, but rather chosen with care and planning.”
there was no specificity in my statement whatsoever so yeah i guess if you were finding some that was a misreading on your part and i apologize. hope this clarifies.
that said i do stand by that, even given a misunderstanding, your escalation to “at this point anti-semitism is starting to mean anti-genocide” was purposeless and without evidence. if i am reading you right we have a lot in common and it’s not helpful to open messages with “the fuck i do.”
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Can we add a 3rd truth that hamas is a death cult that has no place in today’s world. I like all 3 things equally
only if there’s a fourth truth held also equally that hamas only exists due to the obscene conditions israel has created which also have no place in today’s world yet have been funded by some of the most wealthy nations, thereby entangling the web of both israeli and palestinian blood across generations decades and borders :)
Nope. Israel and the international community gave the Palestinians an opportunity to build industry and improve their conditions and live peacefully. They gave billions and billions for this purpose without restriction (apart from military - which as history shows, appears warranted). The Palestinian people voted in Hamas who had a mandate to destroy Israel - from what I can tell is based in religious fundamentalism. Instead of building their economy and educating their population they used the money to build tunnels and pay for thousands of rockets to be fired into Israel. This was a terrible choice and there’s no denying it was a gamble on the Palestinians behalf. One that if it payed off and went to plan (as was in their mandate) would have slowly lead to the destruction of Israel. Bad gamble. Didn’t pay off, the Palestinians have to accept voting in a government who said they will destroy Israel and then consistently carrying out that plan, has at least in some large part lead them to their current circumstances.
On a similar note. Why has there been no talk of how Benjamin Netanyahu was about to go to prison for corruption - then he tried to destroy the checks and balances on government. Then he got caught knowingly funding hamas’s October 7 attack. Clearly all to hold onto power yet no one talks about this anymore?
This user is a victim of propaganda.
No this one is?
So. When is enough dead children enough for you? Will you stop when they’re all dead? Or will you just move onto another country?
You know, hamas murder people for being gay right? How many dead gay people is enough for you?
I have yet to see any proof for this claim. As far as I know, Hamas doesn’t kill queer people, at least not systematically. They face violence, no doubt about that and that’s already bad enough, but stick to the facts here instead of making shit up.
Repeat after me, antizionism is not antisemitism
Yes, but I’m also anti-religion. So does that by extension also make me an antisemite?
Only because you chose the nuance must you die by it
Another truth that must be addressed is that most Jewish people either actively or passively support the genocide of Palestinians. Therefore we need people like me within Judaism to call it out and people outside of Judaism to agree it’s a problem.
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