Minor correction, it’s a million casualties on the Russian side. Dead number is probably around 300k.
But seriously, imagine going from the number 2 world power to a paper tiger that relies on old stock because they don’t have the manufacturing capabilities to mass produce new equipment. They can barely keep the old shit running.
I mean, its a war. Nobody is playing “fair” and you’re delusional if you think they ever were.
But it’s crazy to fixate on Russian losses and ignore the devastation rained on Ukrainian territory. Or the enormous debts Zelensky has had to assume in order to continue importing new munitions and mercenaries to fight. We’ve already seen bombings inside Moscow and assassination attempts (more than a few successful even) against Russian military and state security leadership. But that’s not budging the front lines. Neither is it curbing the continuous barrage of artillery and Russian-based retaliatory drone attacks.
This is just the Iraq-Iran War on steroids. Two countries absolutely butchering their youth in a vainglorious attempt to claim hegemony over a minefield.
Ukraine is obviously the victim here. The Ukrainian people are amazing and have their own rich history and culture as well that deserves to be preserved and respected and cultivated. They do not deserve any of this.
It’s weird to suggest anyone would. But we’ve been hearing about how “Now is the time for a Ukrainian counterattack!” since 2022. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian conscripts got shoveled into Russian defense lines and butchered by mines and artillery, while Westerners cheered like they were watching some kind of pro-sporting event.
FFS, you can find videos all over the internet of Ukrainians and Russians butchering one another and bragging about it. You can find bespoke influencer news networks bragging about how their team is “Owning” the opposition with grisly reprisals. They’re trending all over social media.
Talking about one does not mean I don’t care about the other.
It’s just a show for the West. You don’t actually give a shit, because you don’t see (or care) about the cost anyone is paying.
I am just teasing out exciting (well as exciting as war can be, which is horrific)
I wish people were more willing to confront the horror and less eager to speculate on the excitement.
Instead, we just see bloodlust. People online clutching their keyboards in rapt anticipation of the next bombing or shelling or assassination, like this isn’t costing uncounted civilian lives to put points on the board.
What do you want? More solemnity? Do you want us to not cheer for Ukraine? I mean what the hell is your goal?
To get people to see this as an ongoing disaster, tragedy, and fundamental political failure, rather than some kind of CoD Twitch Stream epic playthrough.
This entire post is literally about a successful counterattack on Russian soil. One with zero Ukrainian casualties.
What, exactly, do you want from this conversation? People to recognize that Ukrainians are suffering? They do recognize that - that’s why they don’t want Ukraine to lose.
A defeated Ukraine would suffer far worse than they are now, as retribution for defending themselves and embarassing Russia in the process. Ukrainians would inevitably be conscripted to fight in Russia’s next attempt at conquest anyway.
Lol what unreported casualties do you imagine there could even be? The drone operators developing carpal tunnel? If they had identified Ukrainians smuggling weapons platforms into the country, the whole operation would have failed.
And then nobody wants to talk about retaliation as a consequence.
Right, because Russia hasn’t been trying until now? They haven’t really tried to crush Ukraine, they’ve just been playing around? But now that Ukraine has bloodied their nose, boy are they sure gonna find out what Russia’s capable of. Lol.
“Things will be worse once the bombs stop falling” is pure war propaganda.
No, “things will be worse when a nation is conquered by a hostile dictatorship” is not propaganda. Ukraine knows that for a fact, because they’ve been through this before.
Seriously, what do you even want here? What is the point of this? You want capitulation and appeasement?
I’m not making light of casualties, I’m making light of the baseless claim that there even could be casualties, because I reiterate:
If they had identified Ukrainians smuggling weapons platforms into the country, the whole operation would have failed.
You think if they found spotters deep in Russian territory near their nuclear bombers the operation would have succeeded?
So, you’re not gonna defend the claim that we should worry about retaliation? Going to pretend that Russia will do anything it wasn’t already trying to do, and just move the conversation elsewhere? This is so incredibly bad faith.
To quite treating this bloodbath as a fucking football game.
Congratulations, it’s not working. You just sound like a cheerleader yourself.
This is just the Iraq-Iran War on steroids. Two countries absolutely butchering their youth in a vainglorious attempt to claim hegemony over a minefield.
What are you even talking about?
There are no “two countries butchering”. There is no symmetry.
There is a bandit state which invaded their neighbour (like many other neighbours they invaded before) and are murdering civilians, commiting war crimes and kidnapping children.
In Ukraine today, no topic is more barbed than that of compulsory military service. Few want to talk about conscription publicly; men within service age range, 25 to 60 years old, are particularly reticent. “It’s just too sensitive. I hope you understand me,” one man told me, referring to the many families in his circle of friends whose sons, brothers, and fathers are on the front or have perished there. Some fear that speaking out might prompt a letter from the Defense Ministry announcing their call-up. Or worse, they might be plucked randomly by recruitment officers on the streets and, should their documentation prove their eligibility for service, sent straight to boot camp.
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Minor correction, it’s a million casualties on the Russian side. Dead number is probably around 300k.
But seriously, imagine going from the number 2 world power to a paper tiger that relies on old stock because they don’t have the manufacturing capabilities to mass produce new equipment. They can barely keep the old shit running.
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I mean, its a war. Nobody is playing “fair” and you’re delusional if you think they ever were.
But it’s crazy to fixate on Russian losses and ignore the devastation rained on Ukrainian territory. Or the enormous debts Zelensky has had to assume in order to continue importing new munitions and mercenaries to fight. We’ve already seen bombings inside Moscow and assassination attempts (more than a few successful even) against Russian military and state security leadership. But that’s not budging the front lines. Neither is it curbing the continuous barrage of artillery and Russian-based retaliatory drone attacks.
This is just the Iraq-Iran War on steroids. Two countries absolutely butchering their youth in a vainglorious attempt to claim hegemony over a minefield.
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It’s weird to suggest anyone would. But we’ve been hearing about how “Now is the time for a Ukrainian counterattack!” since 2022. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian conscripts got shoveled into Russian defense lines and butchered by mines and artillery, while Westerners cheered like they were watching some kind of pro-sporting event.
FFS, you can find videos all over the internet of Ukrainians and Russians butchering one another and bragging about it. You can find bespoke influencer news networks bragging about how their team is “Owning” the opposition with grisly reprisals. They’re trending all over social media.
It’s just a show for the West. You don’t actually give a shit, because you don’t see (or care) about the cost anyone is paying.
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I wish people were more willing to confront the horror and less eager to speculate on the excitement.
Instead, we just see bloodlust. People online clutching their keyboards in rapt anticipation of the next bombing or shelling or assassination, like this isn’t costing uncounted civilian lives to put points on the board.
To get people to see this as an ongoing disaster, tragedy, and fundamental political failure, rather than some kind of CoD Twitch Stream epic playthrough.
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That doesn’t make the post good. It’s ghoulish.
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This entire post is literally about a successful counterattack on Russian soil. One with zero Ukrainian casualties.
What, exactly, do you want from this conversation? People to recognize that Ukrainians are suffering? They do recognize that - that’s why they don’t want Ukraine to lose.
A defeated Ukraine would suffer far worse than they are now, as retribution for defending themselves and embarassing Russia in the process. Ukrainians would inevitably be conscripted to fight in Russia’s next attempt at conquest anyway.
Zero reported casualties. And then nobody wants to talk about retaliation as a consequence.
“Things will be worse once the bombs stop falling” is pure war propaganda.
Lol what unreported casualties do you imagine there could even be? The drone operators developing carpal tunnel? If they had identified Ukrainians smuggling weapons platforms into the country, the whole operation would have failed.
Right, because Russia hasn’t been trying until now? They haven’t really tried to crush Ukraine, they’ve just been playing around? But now that Ukraine has bloodied their nose, boy are they sure gonna find out what Russia’s capable of. Lol.
No, “things will be worse when a nation is conquered by a hostile dictatorship” is not propaganda. Ukraine knows that for a fact, because they’ve been through this before.
Seriously, what do you even want here? What is the point of this? You want capitulation and appeasement?
What is it with the 101st Chairborn and their need to make light of human casualties?
Intelligence on the ground, particularly spotters near the target, would be the most obvious potential liabilities.
They’ve been bloodying one another for years on end. This isn’t the first successfully Ukrainian strike since the war started.
To quite treating this bloodbath as a fucking football game.
I’m not making light of casualties, I’m making light of the baseless claim that there even could be casualties, because I reiterate:
You think if they found spotters deep in Russian territory near their nuclear bombers the operation would have succeeded?
So, you’re not gonna defend the claim that we should worry about retaliation? Going to pretend that Russia will do anything it wasn’t already trying to do, and just move the conversation elsewhere? This is so incredibly bad faith.
Congratulations, it’s not working. You just sound like a cheerleader yourself.
What are you even talking about?
There are no “two countries butchering”. There is no symmetry.
There is a bandit state which invaded their neighbour (like many other neighbours they invaded before) and are murdering civilians, commiting war crimes and kidnapping children.
How many more hundreds of thousands of people have to die before the language sticks?
It’s two populations of conscripts being shoved together in a rain of artillery and a morass of land mines.
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Conscription Is Breaking Ukraine
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bro what the hell happened down here 😭😭
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