Thanks! I know about red means recording actually, love his vids! Got drawn in by him making stuff on the Teenage Engineering thingie.
Don’t worry about releasing
Oh that’s not an issue for me personally. I always release basically everything. I share with friends and acquaintances kind enough to humor me, and some of them actually give me some good feedback too, especially in terms of being able to convey ideas and moods primarily, like if what I wrote sounds sad but I didn’t mean it to be that’s pretty good to know etc. In a stupid bruteforce way it helped me understand (ab)use of intervals in a scale can become a vehicle for emotion.
For what it’s worth I think releasing hundreds of bad tracks rather than 10 good ones helped me grow massively because I could come back to what I used to do and reassess it with a new lens after every new track. It helps to find direction too, in my humble opinion.
I started by just pressing buttons. I was a chimp with a machine gun, the machine gun being knowing how to pirate VSTs and Kontakt libraries etc.
Then I was very poorly aping artists I liked and making some pretty awful exemplars of genres, trying to follow convention, but not quite able to actually pull it off where like i’d try to make trap - but nobody would actually be able to immediately recognize it as such, and I knew it just didn’t sound right, but eventually I got to where I feel like I can express myself both in terms of genre convention and mood a lot more clearly, though far from ideally tbqh.
I do feel like releasing gets harder though because as I grew so did my standards, I’m not one of those pros that sits there tuning a kick or actually understanding what a compressor is (lol) beyond that if a sound don’t come through you slap it on, but that you can’t slap it on everything.
Even if you did want to go pro getting ears on your music is an up hill battle anyway.
Yeah, that I heard. I can’t even imagine what it must be like to wrestle with rejecthub and so on and try to make it as an internet artist without connections. The only time I could get an audience to even consider it was when I was shilling it in my YouTube videos alongside my OF lmao. It felt pretty gross (the shilling, I mean) but at least it got me >10 monthly listeners for a bit, even when I was leveraging an existing audience it was tough.
These days I don’t really seek an audience, some of my music gets like a 100 listens on SC, but I assume that’s primarily bots harvesting training data, there’s probably a correlation to the genre tags that lures them in. On Spotify i don’t even bother looking, it’s like 1 or 2 listens which I think is me and my gf probably haha, bless her.
Still, having a genre probably helps build a style where an expectation is set and fulfilled/exceeded, seems like the prerequisite for any more naturally acquired audience, but even if I can’t get an audience with that, at least I know that I can make a style and stick to it too. It’s a challenge, y’know? I want to prove to see if I got what it takes to stick to one thing and stay creative within it’s confines for a bit, rather than being the normal amateur of drifting between things at random.
I do like improving though. I wish I knew someone who was into music like me IRL so I could ask to collaborate, I think just seeing how other people do stuff in the moment or seeing them iterate on ideas through their exports and being able to work with that (and not like, in a YT tutorial) would be so useful, probably. There’s probably all sorts of things that I don’t know I don’t know that it would benefit to know I don’t know, and maybe eventually to know!
I’ve always felt that if it sounds good on acoustic THEN it will sound good on anything. There is no where to hide on acoustic.
Actually I think the reason I like it more than electric is that it feels so forgiving haha, I used to get so frustrated trying to play any rock songs because that palm muted distortion sound is very important for rhythm and even though I got somewhere with it, I could never do it consistently, on acoustic it frankly feels like muting is pretty binary. I’m sure I’ll find acoustic licks to whoop my ass for me though and make me drop it in despair, but as long as I have fun along the way, I guess that’s ok.
Good luck on your journey.
Thank you for sharing advice and your experiences, sorry if my reply was too long. Good luck to you too!
I think your learning methods are pretty common. From cracked software to experimenting and copying. The way you think though I feel is a step up.
Its easy to crumble under small amount of plays but you’ve framed it in a positive way which I think can benefit others too. It’s all progress.
Also realising how genres set expectations is really aware. I think most don’t put that kind of thought into it. It’s a good challenge to try sticking to a genre. You can explore its confines and edges.
Where are you based? Maybe someone on the same wavelength will see your comment one day and reach out. I struggle somewhat with the IRL componant of finding musicians with similar personal mindsets to me too.
Thanks! I know about red means recording actually, love his vids! Got drawn in by him making stuff on the Teenage Engineering thingie.
Oh that’s not an issue for me personally. I always release basically everything. I share with friends and acquaintances kind enough to humor me, and some of them actually give me some good feedback too, especially in terms of being able to convey ideas and moods primarily, like if what I wrote sounds sad but I didn’t mean it to be that’s pretty good to know etc. In a stupid bruteforce way it helped me understand (ab)use of intervals in a scale can become a vehicle for emotion.
For what it’s worth I think releasing hundreds of bad tracks rather than 10 good ones helped me grow massively because I could come back to what I used to do and reassess it with a new lens after every new track. It helps to find direction too, in my humble opinion.
I started by just pressing buttons. I was a chimp with a machine gun, the machine gun being knowing how to pirate VSTs and Kontakt libraries etc.
Then I was very poorly aping artists I liked and making some pretty awful exemplars of genres, trying to follow convention, but not quite able to actually pull it off where like i’d try to make trap - but nobody would actually be able to immediately recognize it as such, and I knew it just didn’t sound right, but eventually I got to where I feel like I can express myself both in terms of genre convention and mood a lot more clearly, though far from ideally tbqh.
I do feel like releasing gets harder though because as I grew so did my standards, I’m not one of those pros that sits there tuning a kick or actually understanding what a compressor is (lol) beyond that if a sound don’t come through you slap it on, but that you can’t slap it on everything.
Yeah, that I heard. I can’t even imagine what it must be like to wrestle with rejecthub and so on and try to make it as an internet artist without connections. The only time I could get an audience to even consider it was when I was shilling it in my YouTube videos alongside my OF lmao. It felt pretty gross (the shilling, I mean) but at least it got me >10 monthly listeners for a bit, even when I was leveraging an existing audience it was tough.
These days I don’t really seek an audience, some of my music gets like a 100 listens on SC, but I assume that’s primarily bots harvesting training data, there’s probably a correlation to the genre tags that lures them in. On Spotify i don’t even bother looking, it’s like 1 or 2 listens which I think is me and my gf probably haha, bless her.
Still, having a genre probably helps build a style where an expectation is set and fulfilled/exceeded, seems like the prerequisite for any more naturally acquired audience, but even if I can’t get an audience with that, at least I know that I can make a style and stick to it too. It’s a challenge, y’know? I want to prove to see if I got what it takes to stick to one thing and stay creative within it’s confines for a bit, rather than being the normal amateur of drifting between things at random.
I do like improving though. I wish I knew someone who was into music like me IRL so I could ask to collaborate, I think just seeing how other people do stuff in the moment or seeing them iterate on ideas through their exports and being able to work with that (and not like, in a YT tutorial) would be so useful, probably. There’s probably all sorts of things that I don’t know I don’t know that it would benefit to know I don’t know, and maybe eventually to know!
Actually I think the reason I like it more than electric is that it feels so forgiving haha, I used to get so frustrated trying to play any rock songs because that palm muted distortion sound is very important for rhythm and even though I got somewhere with it, I could never do it consistently, on acoustic it frankly feels like muting is pretty binary. I’m sure I’ll find acoustic licks to whoop my ass for me though and make me drop it in despair, but as long as I have fun along the way, I guess that’s ok.
Thank you for sharing advice and your experiences, sorry if my reply was too long. Good luck to you too!
I think your learning methods are pretty common. From cracked software to experimenting and copying. The way you think though I feel is a step up.
Its easy to crumble under small amount of plays but you’ve framed it in a positive way which I think can benefit others too. It’s all progress.
Also realising how genres set expectations is really aware. I think most don’t put that kind of thought into it. It’s a good challenge to try sticking to a genre. You can explore its confines and edges.
Where are you based? Maybe someone on the same wavelength will see your comment one day and reach out. I struggle somewhat with the IRL componant of finding musicians with similar personal mindsets to me too.
I enjoyed your long reply! It’s nice to connect.