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  • It wasn’t the Palestinians’ own country yet, it was first an Ottoman province and then a british Colony. Just like the partition of India in 47 didn’t give all of british India to Indians, Palestinians didn’t get all of the land they claimed. Plus the partition plan was plain stupid and bound to end in violence by “sharing” Jerusalem.

    But I get it, the difference here is that most Israelis were immigrants to the mandate and refugees from WW2 with a clear nationalist intent to have a jewish country for jewish people with jewish rule and jewish laws…by violence if necessary.

    Yeah, I guess one way to look at it is as colonizers or a “cruzader kingdom”, but in this case there is no original jewish country to return to in their own worldview…so that approach is just going to get you endless war against an embattled people.

    But to return to the main point I was making: none of this is equivalent to what russia did. The partition of the USSR was done peacefully, accepted by both sides and since 2007 russia decided they couldn’t let their neighbour live in peace, culminating in the 2014 and 2022 invasions.

    It’s as if Israel and Palestine had decided to coexist peacefully and then 30 years later one of them decided to take over and deny the other’s right to exist the other for no good reason. (plus one of them is the largest country in the world, even less reason to conquer anybody else)















  • Yeah, it’s tragic (and the UN’s original sin) that Palestine has lived in a legal limbo since 48. When Israel was created, Palestine should have been officially created as a state alongside it, but the palestinian leaders at the time and since have refused to recognize the partition (so it is always mindblowing to me to see that western countries have to expressly recognize Palestine, because legally without Palestine there is no Israel)…so…it’s at least more contentious than russia invading the sovereign country Ukraine…twice and denying that it is a real country (russia is both as brutal as Israel and as crazy as hamas).


  • If Ukraine had done to russia half of what was done to Israel over the decades by hamas/hezbollah/houthis/Iran?, nobody would give a crap about Ukraine either. But Ukraine never attacked russia until russia decided to take the whole country.

    So, yes, Israel is going way too far, the genocidal government is full of war criminals, especially now that they keep massacring after already destroyed hamas, hezbollah and destroyed Iran’s nuclear program, but do not compare it to Ukraine, Ukraine never did anything outside international law. Thanks.