Well, fuck
I myself abstained this time (just voted both). Voting for Nawrocki would be against Poland and voting for Trzaskowski would be against my personal interest as an individual. There wasn’t lesser evil this time and nothing would change regardless.
Edit: I want public healthcare — which neither candidates supports. Trzaskowskis party literally proposed to reduce the healthcare budget by 20bln like a month ago
I want marriage equality — which neither candidate supports. Trzaskowski is said to be in favour but he never said it straigh up and he vocally opposes same-sex adoption.
I want affordable housing — which neither candidate supports. Both parties similarly had their housing programmes which caused the market prices to soar and opposed public housing.
I want ecology — both candidates oppose nuclear power and Trzaskowskis party literally cut public forestry budget and increased the deforestation rate
I want the church to shut up and stop stealing public money — Trzaskowskis party, despite being called “anticlerical” gave the 20% increase of the Church Budget in 2025. Their original promise was to reduce it to 0.
I want a reasonable migration policy — both candidates’ parties use migrants as scapegoats and support limiting asylum laws.
I want access to abortion — which Nawrocki opposes; Trzaskowski himself supports it, but some of his party and majority of his coalition doesn’t and will never vote for it
Both candidates are shit in their own way
Same. Don’t worry about the negative comments
You will regret this sooner than you expect and still find excuses not to admit it was stupid.
Sorry, but both candidates aren’t good enough for this position. Now we have 15 October Coaltion and Nawrocki. Cannot be worse than it was with this combination.
One candidate was a nazi thug, the other wasn’t. I feel.like I repeat myself so many times, but once again:
Nazis always turn up to vote. The left loves to find a reason not to. The Nazis know this and have developed a playback to win. Their plan is simple but highly effective: use a wedge issue to persuade enough left wing to just not turn up.
Also, an election this close… I’m sorry, but sitting out this one very much means you are happy to have a thug as your president.
Eh, you win some, you lose some, just don’t be much worse than Duda and everything’ll be ok until the next election, no?
We have far right governments in Poland, Italy, Sweden, Netherlands and some more center right governments in other EU member states. This is very bad for human rights and we should be worried by this trend.
Yes, but this guy is not the head of government or and can’t veto EU council decisions, like Orban can. He can block decisions of the new government to undo what PiS has done over the years. In fact, given Poland’s history of right-wing presidents, it is the closest they’ve ever come to having a liberal president. :3 staying optimistic while we wait for the green left to get its act together in a pragmatic way (that has something to offer rural and working families over fascist vibes and neoliberal status-quo (looking at you, France))
I can’t answer definitively for the other countries, but the Netherlands has a far-right party in government, but it’s not the government - that’s a coalition together with three right-wing parties. Certainly not what left-wing folks like to see, but the other three are keeping the far-right one in check somewhat compared to winner-takes-all systems like in the US.
Can also mention that the far-right party in Sweden is currently not in the government, they have an agreement with the government on what they should enact in order to receive their support but they hold no offices.
I can also now add that the Dutch far-right party just stepped out of the government, so now it’s just the three other parties, and presumably new elections later this year 😅
I wonder how long it would take Russia to take over Poland with Karol Nawrocki as president if the US pulls out of NATO and the rest of the EU and UK refuse to participate in the war. Will he capitulate the same day?
Akshually, unlike in the West, the conservatives in Poland despise Russia with a passion. A conservative president in Poland isn’t going to undermine NATO (but for the EU, it may).
I see your newly elected president’s fear of Russia. He should know better than anyone else (since he studied history) that for centuries Poland has been betrayed by its closest allies. And now, instead of cooperating with Ukraine, he is setting the Poles against Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians against the Poles (which, of course, benefits Russia). Hoping that the US will help defend Poland if Russians attack. But these are vain hopes - because as before, so now the US and the EU will betray Poland, you have the one and only friend, and it is Ukraine. Very soon you will see for yourself. Lets be clear peace negotiations are just a screen for a full-scale invasion in Poland
Am I talking to an LLM? What does that have to do with anything?
You still do not get? NATO without USA is dead. Do you really think that Trump will protect Poland meanwhile betraying Ukraine?) Do not be naive. Trump promised Ukraine, Belarus and Poland to Putin in exchange for help in war against muslims
I am talking about conservatives in Poland. Polish conservatives are vehemently anti-Russia so they won’t sabotage NATO unlike Trump or Orban.
Polish concervatives will not sabotage NATO - because Trump will) Poland soon will be a target. Do you still believe that NATO without USA will fight for Poland? Or will send military troops to Poland? If yes you do not know the history like your new president Karol Nawrocky. Did you forget what happened in 1939? or earlier? Did you notice how Trump betrayed Ukraine? Do you think Poland is special for Trump and can you guarantee that he will not betray you too? Conservatives are destroying relationship with Ukraine and who will help you then? Would you able to fight one on one with russia like we do? How would Nawrocky look at eyes of Ukrainian women and children, Ukrainian president if your country is attacked by russia? So my advice instead of inciting hostility between the Ukrainian and Polish people - think who will benefit from this hostility? On whom your politicians are working in reality? Is what they do are in the best interests of ordinary Poles?
I never said I trust Trump or USA. No one said anything about them to begin with.
If you know the politics of Poland, the Polish right-wing are different because they are anti-Russia. Nawrocki being elected will not negatively affect NATO. Judging from your profile, you are Ukrainian so you can relax about the new Polish president. Nawrocki was put on Russia’s wanted list after destroying a Soviet era statue. So he can’t be pro-Russia.
Poland just never learns.
Poland learned plenty. Record turnout, the candidate won by a very slim margin. It’s brexit vote all over again - half the country is indoctrinated rednecks. A TV station had statistical data - voting for the right wing candidate was proportional with shittier education. People after universities voted 70% in favour of Trzaskowski. People who only finished grade school voted 70% in favour of Nawrocki. You can guess which group has more idiots in it.
Yeah but close isnt enough, how many more years is it gonna take before polish people learn to vote liberal, pro eu candidate, not some pro putin idiot
You seen any European elections lately?
They learned in the last Sejm election, but apparently they already forgot what they learned.
In two years the government hardly delivered anything they promised. And not just because Duda was still a president vetoing everything. No surprise people are disappointed.
Poland’s always been pretty right-wing.
Because politicians and media keep them so. Often polls would show that public is more progressive than the lawmakers (e.g. about abortion laws), but the ruling politicians will still say how Polish people are not ready for such ‘radical changes’ or just how ‘wrong’ that is…
