neovim users spending 3 days rewriting old unmaintained extension for telescope
Lol “as good as intellij” what the actual fuck.
I cannot imagine how much worse you’d have to make vscode to make it as shit as intellij is. And even vscode is pretty shit.
Kotlin would be a great language if it wasn’t hampered by that IDE.
Being plugin based avoids bloat (doesn’t matter for code-oss because it’s electron)
It also plays into their goal to make VS Code seem open source while being the opposite! A lot of the functionality is in the marketplace but non Microsoft products aren’t legally allowed to use it and you’re not allowed to distribute builds of the plugins.
Use VS Codium instead.
You are allowed wtf. If the plugin author didn’t distribute it elsewhere, it’s on them. MS doesn’t forbid them from uploading the extension build elsewhere, they just wanted their marketplace not getting requests from not-their-client which is a fair point for a for profit company.
You are allowed wtf.
No. If you’re using something other than Visual Studio Code you have to manually download plugins and the MS specific ones use licenses like this.
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items/ms-vscode.cpptools/license
SCOPE OF LICENSE. The software is licensed, not sold. This agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. Microsoft reserves all other rights. For clarification Microsoft, or its licensors, retains ownership of all aspects of the software. Unless applicable law gives you more rights despite this limitation, you may use the software only as expressly permitted in this agreement. In doing so, you must comply with any technical limitations in the software that only allow you to use it in certain ways. For example, if Microsoft technically limits or disables extensibility for the software, you may not extend the software by, among other things, loading or injecting into the software any non-Microsoft add-ins, macros, or packages; modifying the software registry settings; or adding features or functionality equivalent to that found in Microsoft products and services. You may not: a) work around any technical limitations in the software that only allow you to use it in certain ways; b) reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble the software, or otherwise attempt to derive the source code for the software, except and to the extent required by third party licensing terms governing use of certain open source components that may be included in the software; c) remove, minimize, block, or modify any notices of Microsoft or its suppliers in the software; d) use the software in any way that is against the law or to create or propagate malware; or e) share, publish, distribute, or lease the software (except for any distributable code, subject to the terms above), provide the software as a stand-alone offering for others to use, or transfer the software or this agreement to any third party.
Look at the usages of “In-Scope Products and Services” in Visual Studio Marketplace’s Terms of Service. https://cdn.vsassets.io/v/M253_20250303.9/_content/Microsoft-Visual-Studio-Marketplace-Terms-of-Use.pdf
Then specify MS plugins. If you only said plugins on MS marketplace, you are blaming MS for things they didn’t do
It also plays into [Microsoft’s] goal to make VS Code seem open source while being the opposite! A lot of the functionality is in the marketplace but non Microsoft products aren’t legally allowed to use it and you’re not allowed to distribute builds of the plugins.
My use of “their” may have been too ambiguous. I thought it was clear from the context that I was talking about Microsoft’s program, marketplace, and plugins specifically. When you use VS Code with things like C it’s like “hey, download this extension!” So from your perspective that’s a thing VS Code can do, because it’s so seamless and easy to add in. But what you don’t realize is that you’re downloading a proprietary, closed source extension. When you use VS Codium you can’t (easily) get those extensions (without breaking Microsoft’s terms of service). It’s the same shit that Oracle pulls with their JDK distribution and a big part of why OpenJDK usage is much more common post 2019ish.
Yes, hence why I commented that MS never prohibits you from publishing your extension elsewhere. Nor does MS forbid you from using other marketplaces when using their product. It’s like saying valve is prohibiting game dev from publishing their game elsewhere or distributing their game outside of steam. It’s just not true. And MS has all the right to limit their marketplace to their own client too. After all, it is first and foremost, their service for their product specifically. It’s like you’re making an unofficial client for youtube.
I never said MS is doing any of those things. I even linked their TOS to show you very clearly what they’re doing and not doing.
And MS has all the right to limit their marketplace to their own client too. After all, it is first and foremost, their service for their product specifically. It’s like you’re making an unofficial client for youtube.
I never said they shouldn’t “have the right”, I said they’re open-washing. They act like VS Code is open source but the build they distribute is not and a lot of the functionality they add in through recommended plugins are both not open source and you’re not allowed to easily download them from other plugins. Everything about VS Code is fauxpen source to the max.
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If you want everything bundled instead of à la carte, that sounds more like eclipse to me. But then, I don’t understand how anyone can program in Java.
Meanwhile IntelliJ: let’s copycat VSCodium UI
If you’re working on a large project/product then sure, but VS Code is just so damn good, it’s so much fucking faster than IntelliJ, has so many more options and is typically just more intuitive to me. Whenever I can I typically use it.
I‘ll take the plugin installing over fucking around with pycharm jars to get it to actually eat dependencies any day. I am amazed about the bullshit the Intellij fanboys are willing to put up with, I would rather do everything in vi.
Lol wow, intelliJ? Shit’s slow as fuck
Eh… No?
So is vscode, though. So meme still works.
No, no it is not, especially when compared to IJ.
It launches and reloads my projects to a usable state in probably 2-3 seconds on my machine and it basically never randomly freezes like IJ did for me. People who say vscode is slow just have a hate boner for electron.
No, I say that it’s slow because switching between files and watching the syntax highlighting come in takes long enough that it knocks me out of flow state.
EDIT: Tbf, me saying it’s AS slow as IntelliJ was more of a joke. But don’t get me wrong. I still do consider VSCode to be slow. 2-3 seconds to open a project is slow, regardless of project size.
Are you a robot? That process is not visible on my machine. Probably a 100ms thing. Humans perceive a speed like that as “instant”.
Nah it’s like when you write your scripts in JS, and you’re like “ooo it’s instant!” And then you rewrite it in a compiled language… and you realize that your original script was, in fact, not instant. And then if I have to keep running the original script, it’s gonna bug me every time I notice.
Sounds like robot-speak to me.
You cannot even compare the 2. Intellij is so bad it crashes my machine. Vscode is fast
You guys use editors? Real programmers only need a mechanical hard drive, a magnetized needle and a steady hand.
Like a code tattoo.
Maybe I just have a shitty computer, but I feel like as good as intelliJ is, it’s very slow compared to VScode. And fuck me if I’m trying to do anything in Android Studio.
It is slower. It’s a fully fledged IDE, VSCode is not so it will always be way faster, but that’s again this meme, JetBrains IDE’s are super powerful so I guess you can say what it lacks in speed it got in power. It’s also written in Java so it’s memory heavy, but it is what it is.
I use both and I enjoy both. I would never however use JetBrains to open and edit a single file, its way to slow for that.
Having bunch of plugins built-in is not any better than having a bunch of plugins
Having a bunch of plugins built-in means also supported in updates and play nice with each other
I would argue it’s worse. You can’t choose the things that are actually beneficial to you and how you work.
You can, they are not built in but bundled
That’s just built in with extra steps.
Somehow even worse. Now it comes with and I have to install it separate?
NGL I’d use jetbrainz products more if they weren’t that pricey and more portable
Same. I use VSCode at work, because we need some of the features that are premium in Jetbrains products and the licenses are too expensive for my company.
If your work can’t afford less than $20/seat/month for business-critical software, I’d start looking for a new job because your paychecks are about to dry up, anyway.
Is it business critical if it can be done elsewhere for cheaper/free?
Yeah, that’s the reasoning they have. It works with VSCode. Ish.
Funny how such companies don’t care that employees would be more effective with better tools and those license prices would result in way over $20/month profit. 🤷♂️
Kate >>>>> Vi$ual$tudio
Vi >>>>> Kate >>>>> Vi$ual$tudio
That’s like:
Car with the dashboard and the switches all ripped out >>>>> A normal car >>>>> A stereotypical Arab sheik car, with a solid gold dashboard and a fancy infotainment system
Sed >>>>> Vi >>>>> Kate >>>>> Vi$ual$tudio
Intello sense still won’t find the Godot classes :-/ (linux & C#)
What about Rider?
Is that a plugin?
It’s a separate Jetbrains IDE for .Net
Thanks! Jetbrains rock.
Yes, I’d rather have 35 different IDEs for every task I need to do. Much better than One To Rule Them All.
You mean one to struggle to rule them all?
