• Lemminary@lemmy.world
        15·
        il y a 2 mois

        And terrible roads and/or regulations? I can’t help but notice the worst offenders are conservative areas and those usually are neglectful.

        • PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world
          7·
          il y a 2 mois

          The transportation departments of red states just funnel the monies to corrupt buddies and nothing gets fixed even though there is perpetual road work being (performatively) done.

        • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
          5·
          il y a 2 mois

          And lack of pedestrian infrastructure, and…, and… We can go on and on at how baked into the cake these deaths are in the car cult.

      • Botzo@lemmy.world
        4·
        il y a 2 mois

        There are so many dumb regulations and circumstances that functionally push people to giant vehicles.

        For instance: I replaced my 2016 VW golf base model with an electric F150 this year for a multitude of reasons. I got a refund from insurance (with the same coverage). None of this makes sense except that I’m less likely to be injured by other motorists in my 3.5ton truck. I found this depressing.

    • funkajunk@lemmy.world
      20·
      il y a 2 mois

      That might be skewed as most of their population are in New York City, and more than half of the city doesn’t even own a car.

      • The_v@lemmy.world
        22·
        il y a 2 mois

        That’s pretty much the point of the chart. Better public infrastructure decrease the deaths from cars.

          • EldritchFemininity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            il y a 2 mois

            Both? Both. Massachusetts is right up there as well, and while Boston isn’t as large or dense as NYC, a full 50% of the workforce in Boston commutes every day using the T. That’s a huge portion of the people who go into and out of Boston daily from outside suburbs and towns who aren’t on the roads.

    • Coelacanth@aggregatet.orgEnglish
      61·
      il y a 2 mois

      As far as I know Finland has the world’s strictest driving licence, so I’m actually surprised to see it posting worse statistics than Sweden here.

      • Valmond@lemmy.world
        5·
        il y a 2 mois

        Sweden went insane with road security in the nineties (nollvisionen?) so maybe that’s why.

        • lars@lemmy.sdf.org
          1·
          il y a 2 mois

          Like should it really count if I was driving uphill in the snow? Absofuckinglutely not.

      • Tobberone@slrpnk.net
        2·
        il y a 2 mois

        Sweden is as expected. 200-something fatalities for 10 million people. Norway stands out😃

        It got me thinking about definitions, though. For Sweden every death during transportation is counted (including busses, heavy trucks and single accidents with a bike), while the definition my 2 minute googling found for Canada said deaths resulting from accidents involving automobiles.

        • Coelacanth@aggregatet.orgEnglish
          2·
          il y a 2 mois

          The stats are normalised for per 1 million inhabitants are they not?

          But your second point is definitely very good. I imagine getting consistent fully comparable numbers from all the various countries isn’t easy.

    • sep@lemmy.world
      0·
      il y a 2 mois

      How is norway so low?? We have mostly trash roads with a few noteable exceptions. Cliff on one side, river or fjord on the other. No shoulder worth mentioning unlike sweeden, that often have half a lane on either side of the road.

      • Allemaniac@lemmy.world
        2·
        il y a 2 mois

        driving requirements for license are vastly different among european countries, but also state of the cars, more wealthy nations replace older cars more quickly, so countries like Bulgaria and Romania often sit on their cars for sometimes generations. Add to that the constant honking and cutting off people, temperament of the populus

  • NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone
    111·
    il y a 2 mois

    Victoria is that low cos they don’t fuck around when it comes to driving fines. The speed limit means limit, and they’re cracking down hard on drivers using phones.

      • Fleur_@aussie.zone
        0·
        il y a 2 mois

        Yeah the only people worse at driving are Belgiuns. I say this with certainty having never been to Belgium and in direct conflict with the source presented to me. I simply know it to be true as an empath.

    • Delphia@lemmy.world
      25·
      il y a 2 mois

      I mean,Australia has way less snow than the US, that definitely has to account for a chunk of the difference in our numbers.

      • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
        42·
        il y a 2 mois

        from existing in a car in the US on a few occasions and living in australia i’d wager a HUGE amount of the difference is attitude… holy SHIT do yall speed like crazy! 15-20mph over the limit just seems to be standard… 15kph over the limit here in aus you literally watch them pass every other car and call them a dickhead - and they’ll almost certainly get a speeding fine

        • Delphia@lemmy.world
          3·
          il y a 2 mois

          I am Australian, Ive been doing track days, drift days and have done a few amateur rallys too over the last 20 years and Ive never been more scared driving than a rental car in Austria in winter on holiday. Ice and snow is a whole different skillset.

          • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
            2·
            il y a 2 mois

            also true, but as other have said, mississippi doesn’t really get snow so given the massive difference between them and vic, i don’t think snow is really a particularly big contributor

        • Delphia@lemmy.world
          01·
          il y a 2 mois

          Im not saying its THE cause, just that the US as a whole has to regularly deal with a potential cause of accidents that is almost non-existent in Australia.

          We also have a significantly lower amount of bear attacks and it has nothing to do with the quality of our bear management programs.

          • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            il y a 2 mois

            but significantly more dropbear attacks. perhaps that puts the fear into you and keeps you driving better.

      • Quilotoa@lemmy.ca
        1·
        il y a 2 mois

        But Canada has way more snow than the U.S., so that doesn’t seem to be a major factor.

  • Allemaniac@lemmy.world
    7·
    il y a 2 mois

    getting a drivers license in mississippi is basically show up to the DMV, suck a cock and drive home or what?

    • pulsewidth@lemmy.world
      3·
      il y a 2 mois

      Mississippi has drive-through combo shops: liquor store / DMV / KFC.

      Saves time on your way to and home from church.

  • burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
    5·
    il y a 2 mois

    Took a closer look to see if I was surprised by any correlation about poverty, and browsed away with the belief that the south is still a shithole… which might still correlate with poverty. I think kansas/oregon is the first entry that wouldn’t be ‘south.’

    • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      il y a 2 mois

      Drinkin’ beers an’ drivin’ yer trukk is a highly traditional pastime in the US deep south. Typically done in the middle of the night, in my experience, for the maximum probability of contacting the local wildlife or making friends at high speed with a tree.

    • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.worldEnglish
      82·
      il y a 2 mois

      There are only 36 states represented here by my count. It says “major” states, whatever that means. But 14 in total are missing either because of their smaller populations, or because their fatality rate is low enough that they would fall off the right hand side of the chart and thus wouldn’t fit the “America Drivers Bad” narrative quietly being implied, here.

      Edit: I looked up the numbers for my state in the same year (and no, I’m not telling the public which one). We would be at 1.2 on this chart if my math is correct, which is well below even the shortest bar for Victoria, there.

      • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
        91·
        il y a 2 mois

        I decided to look and found that this metric is almost always measured by vehicle distance travelled rather than by population. Basically the graph OP shared is useless and meant to support a narrative, as you stated.

        • Artisian@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          il y a 2 mois

          I think it’s kinda interesting still, in that it shows people are (must?) drive so much. But yes, agree that per cap seems like the wrong statistic for any kind of safety.

          Maybe more fair would be transit fatalities per mile traveled (any method)?

        • partial_accumen@lemmy.world
          1·
          il y a 2 mois

          Does that mean that Canadians in Alberta, Quebec, and Ontario simply don’t drive long distances inside their provinces? That doesn’t track with what I’ve seen when visiting all three provinces.

          • SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works
            3·
            il y a 2 mois

            Calgary relatives: “oh I’m just going to zip up to Edmonton for the day” or go for a coffee 40km to the other side of town or just do the daily 130km commute etc.

      • taiyang@lemmy.world
        1·
        il y a 2 mois

        While I’d prefer to see every state and province represented, I imagine only metro areas matter here anyway. The dangers of the road are quite different when your largest city has a sliver of density compared to the rest, though by that token, density is probably a factor that even large states should account for (which would probably put NYC very low on the list lol)

    • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.clubEnglish
      6·
      il y a 2 mois

      Probably not. The state has been implementing Vision Zero as a statewide program along with several cities.

      The two major highways have lower than average accidents due to design.

      One of the state’s signature traffic configurations, the Jersey Jughandle, eliminates left turn movements on older highways, a major source of accidents.

    • Match!!@pawb.socialEnglish
      3·
      il y a 2 mois

      It’s comparing against total population, not driving population, so any amount of mass transit will greatly reduce this number

  • Magister@lemmy.world
    3·
    il y a 2 mois

    Not surprised by SC, as a Canadian I had one accident in 40 years of driving, it was in SC, caused by a 17yo girl driving an old suburban or something.

    • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
      4·
      il y a 2 mois

      I don’t know much about Mississippi, but I know that in neighboring Louisiana, there are drive-through daiquiri places.

      the fine print of the law says that the open container law is not applicable to containers with frozen alcoholic beverage where the lid is intact and no straw is protruding through the lid.

      In most cases, daiquiris adhere to the “tape rule.” Most daiquiri shops will put a piece of tape over the straw hold on the lid. If this tape is removed or broken then the drink is considered an open container.

      So a piece of tape counts as a “seal.” They’re not even trying.

    • itslola@lemmy.world
      1·
      il y a 2 mois

      Wait, are you saying BAC while driving must be 0.00 in some parts of the States, or am I misunderstanding? It’s 0.05 in most (all?) parts of Australia (except if you’re in a restricted licence category). It’s not encouraged, but it’s legal.

      Figured you guys would have more permissive laws than we do.

      • pulsewidth@lemmy.world
        1·
        il y a 2 mois

        No I’m saying you’re not allowed to be drinking alcohol while you drive. Which you are in Mississippi.

        USA freedom warriors ™ on Reddit say ‘that’s fine because they still have to be under the legal limit’. Unable to fathom that the idea of normalizing drinking alcohol while you drive encourages irresponsible behaviour amongst other negatives, beyond just staying under the BAC limit.

        • itslola@lemmy.world
          1·
          il y a 2 mois

          Ahhh, yeah, that’s a bit cooked. The freedom warriors bit isn’t surprising, though. You’d expect them to be in favour of “the freedom to be as irresponsible as you like”.