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the Switch 2 is a waste of money.
This was inevitable. Everybody who was ever going to buy a Switch has already bought one. How else are they going to make more money? Keep increasing prices and keep cutting costs (enshittification essentially). These two will be the centre of all big business for the coming years.
I really appreciate iFixit and how they help bring the discussion of repairability to the forefront.
i was looking at them originally to fix my pixel 5a phone, than realize it wasnt worth the cost. not because ifixit, but because of the unreliability of the 5a at the time, i changed to a non-google phone this year.
Not a problem. I wasn’t gonna buy one amyways.
I will, used in a few years. Assuming emulation isn’t rapidly done again.
All the more reason for me not to purchase it.
After the initial excitement I think the Switch 2 is gonna bomb. Offers too little for too much.
Just yesterday I spent 3 hours playing MK8D on my PC. Cozy on my bed and a controller + a remote keyboard.
Felt like the real deal.Edit: Why the downvotes? Is emulation so frowned upon here?
Great video. That’s a disappointing outcome though.
It was interesting to hear though that Nintendo hasn’t made any replacement parts available for the original switch, despite the fact that New York State apparently requires this by law.
I wonder if they’ll be forced to comply with that at some point. There are probably other jurisdictions that require this or that will require this soon. I’d love to see some pressure applied to companies that don’t make replacement parts available.
At this point I trust in the EU to force Nintendo to play the right-to-repair game.
Yeah, the EU has shown they’re serious when it comes to consumer protections. It’s great to see!
For example, coming into effect in 12 days, on the 20th of June, for smartphones and tablets:
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Durability: Devices should be resistant to accidental drops and protected against dust and water.
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Battery longevity: Batteries must endure at least 800 full charge and discharge cycles while retaining at least 80% of their original capacity.
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Repairability: Manufacturers must make critical spare parts available within 5 to 10 working days, and continue offering them for 7 years after the product is no longer sold in the EU.
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Software support: Devices must receive operating system upgrades for at least 5 years from the end-of-sale date.
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Repair access: Professional repairers must have non-discriminatory access to any required software or firmware.
They will also have to include a sticker on packaging that has standardised information on it concerning energy efficiency, battery life, repeated drop test results, battery endurance in charging cycles, repairability score, and water/dust protection rating:
Does that go into effect for all devices on sale, or only for devices released after that date? Also, that software support section is great. That basically means all phones need atleast 6 years of support
Only new devices released after June 20th.
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Not surprised, given it’s Nintendo. My Switch Lite has seen very little use since I got my Steam Deck, tho.
I mean yeah, I wouldn’t expect otherwise. Nobody hates their fans more than Nintendo does.
Part of the difficulty is that Nintendo have hitsquads that will blow your city if you even look sideways at one of the screw.
Blow a whole city? That’s dedication
There is nobody with more dedication than IP lawyers and Nintendo.
What’s the appeal of the switch for when PC handhelds exist ? I just don’t get it why you would buy this unless you had children. Nintendo Games are good but they’re really not that good either.
People like playing Nintendo original games. Mario games, Zelda games, etc.
The only way to legally play those is on the switch.
Yes, even non children play those games.
You can legally play them on an ROG Ally or other Pc handheld . It is not illegal to emulate a game that you own.
But I get that it’s just that I don’t think Nintendo games warrant buying an entire system anymore. If their consoles had more third party support maybe, but I just don’t see the value at the current price of the console.
It is not illegal to emulate a game that you own.
In a lot of place it is illegal to circumvent technical protection measures, which is technically required for almost anything starting from NES era. Making it impossible to “legally” rip your own games (yes, even in places where there IS a tax to allow private copy of content you bought). So the only way you can do that is by downloading it, where there is no “legal” way to distribute it in the first place, so “legally” you can’t download it either.
I’m not defending the practice, I’m saying that if you’re going the “legal” defense, you’re going to have a bad time if it gets attention. Fortunately, suing every single gamer on earth is not an attractive prospect.
I thought Nintendo devices were built like tanks, nes, snes, all old consoles are still playable. How long did the new Nintendo devices like switch last? I think the screen and battery are the main limit of devices life.
Lol nah, they might be generally well designed, but they’ve been making it all in China (until now for tariff bypass) for decades now, so you don’t get the Japanese OEM quality shine you usually get out of other electronics.
Most of the repair will be for damaged consoles. Switch 1 battery lasted pretty well considering most phone batteries begin to deteriorate around 4 years.
Aside from that though, I expect the joycon drift issue to be unfixed which will be the real issue, especially as warranties expire.
Not surprising. Nintendo is turning into the Apple of the video game world.
Nintendo has been the Apple of the video game world since the N64.
Even Apple makes more repairable hardware.
Yeah once sued. They weren’t going to offer it up otherwise, I suspect something similar is going to have to happen to Nintendo.
I implore people to watch the teardown guide itself, which is way more nuanced than the clickbaity The Verge article.
I’m not a fan of the use of glue in the joycon sides and the fact that the color strips under the controllers are hiding screws. The bigger complaint is the battery glue, especially because you can imagine aftermarket parts with bigger capacity could be a thing here. I definitely wouldn’t open this thing unless it has a problem.
Some components are still modular, which is nice. I can’t imagine the sticks not having changed design is great, but it’s entirely possible they’re way more durable, which the teardown acknowledges. Keep in mind that, while all controllers can drift, most controllers don’t fail that way. It’s possible to build this type of stick without widespread issues. Time will tell, though.
The switch 2 gives out complete apple vibes. It’s repairability is pretty horrid after watching the teardown guide.
Controllers will fail sooner or later and will have to be replaced. Here it will end up replacing the whole stick just due to glueing small parts of the controller.
Battery will also fail sooner than later. The whole thing yells planned absolesence…
It absolutely does not. Nintendo hardware is built like a freight truck. The teardown guide references the JerryRigEverything “durability test” and I am pretty sure unless you use it to bash someone’s head in this thing will last (and even then).
What it reeks of is Nintendo wanting to make things cheap and sell you multiple of them. Which they do. My launch Switch 1 lasted until I got a Lite and then an Oled and I expect this one will do pretty much the same. That doesn’t mean their joycon won’t need fixing or replacing (and I did have to open and mod my Lite, which wasn’t easy).
I think Nintendo hasn’t adjusted its industrial design to modern repairability concerns yet, which is a very Nintendo thing (and definitely not the same as Apple artificially holding down the repair ecosystem to itself artificially). I like neither option, but I’d take Nintendo’s approach over Apple’s any day. They absolutely need to comply with modern right to repair regulations, though, and that will mean doing more than they’re currently doing.
What it reeks of is Nintendo wanting to make things cheap and sell you multiple of them
That’s the “apple like” planned obsolesence part I was refering to. Think about airpods for example.
The teardown doesn’t touch on part serialization, although the ability to brick your device if they “feel like it” is on PAR with Apple.
Although I’m not sure we should be arguing about which of the two is shittier when both are already deep in non compliance of “modern right to repair regulations (lmao)”
No, big differences at play here. Nintendo won’t plan obsolescence, they will give you a base version at launch (multiple, if they can, since they’re handheld devices and a single family may conceivably want a couple) and then they will iterate on the form factor with a cheaper, slimmer alternative and a bigger, premium alternative. None of those will stop working or break at any point, though. They don’t care about them being replaced. In fact, they prefer if they aren’t, given they make a cut of the software, too.
They are planned to stack on each other. Sell you multiples for multiple users. Apple can’t do that trick, because everybody already owns a phone and the software is backwards compatible and interoperable, so they need to push you to replacement hardware. Nintendo’s on a different business.
The remote bricking is not planned obsolescence, it’s Nintendo’s draconian opinion that they own every part of the hardware and the software fundamentally, so emulation, user modding and jailbreaking are crimes against humanity. They are wrong, but they will continue to enforce it aggressively even beyond what is legally established. This is because it goes fundamentally counter to their hardware design, which relies on cheap-but-robust devices you can give to kids that are built with imaginatively repurposed older tech. They see enthusiasts improving on their price-optimal design as a threat and will send ninjas to stab you if you disagree.
I disagree, but there are degrees of separation here. Nintendo still needs to be forced to provide replacement parts, specs and so forth, though.
Hope the drift issue is fixed. Ran into the issue with two of mine. The paper under the joystick hack didn’t work and one of the brand new replacement joysticks I installed isn’t responsive. 🙄
Congrats it’s worse! Harder to get to :)
It’s not, and the joycons are even HARDER to repair due to a piece of plastic glued over a screw on the inside…
Thanks to 3d printing I have litres of isopropyl. What sucks is you probably want to replace the glue since it’s there to protect against liquids, and Nintendo don’t care to provide a seal kit
You also need to remove stickers to get at the screws
Also you need a security screwdriver (three blade) for those screws
There are no replacement stickers, we wait for iFixit to provide guidance on adhesives
Spoiler alert: it’s not. Same joysticks as last time.
Are you fucking kidding? They didn’t switch to Hall effect?
Still has an LCD panel, and still has regular sticks. I guess saving 0.10$ per unit adds up
Idiots will buy it no matter what, may as well use the cheap stuff.
It’s the same joystick design. As the video says that doesn’t mean it will have the same issues as frequently, but it does mean it can have the same issues. The question will be at what rate.
Given the coverage I have very low hopes that we will get a good idea of that from the press. Instead I expect the first Switch 2 joycon to drift will be put on an auction sale for every clickbait article to parade in front of people with rotten tomatoes at the ready. Still, it will matter if it’s one in two or one in a million.
They could have easily fixed it with hall effect sticks. That is a proven and inexpensive solution, but Nintendo prefers to sell more joycons and create waste, it’s that simple.
It’s a known and proven shit solution. Have any of you ever actually used hall effect sensor joysticks? The centering is worse, the polling rate is far worse, they use a ton more power (already a limited resource in the individual joycons) and most of all they get absolutely screwed by electromagnetic interference… Interference like, say, magnets holding the joycons on.
Ifixit is kind of full of shit here- the joysticks are the “same” only in that it’s using the same general design as every other non-hall effect sensor joystick that’s ever been used and most of those didn’t have problems with drift.
It’s not the same part as the original joycons, so the issue could be fixed- from what the switch welcome tour was saying, it seems pretty likely in fact.
I use hall effect on the daily and have had none of the issues you’re discussing. I suppose time will tell, but I much prefer hall effect.
Probably depends entirely on what games you play, and how sensitive you are, but hall effects feel like trash and destroy the joycon battery life. I tried playing Celeste with hall effects and wooooow was it bad. Basically unplayable past the early chapters.
As a fellow celete player, I’m sorry your experience was like that, but I’m also currently using hall effect sticks on both my 8bitdo ultimate and my guillikit kong 2, it feels absolutely mint on both with no tinkering. I’m gonna have to ask you to name and shame the hall effect sticks you’re using, please. Thanks!
I honestly don’t care how difficult it is, only if it’s possible, if it’s cost-effective, and if there are any fucking corporate shenanigans that intentionally make it harder.
Ease of repair and cost effectiveness are literally the same thing.
They’re literally not LOL.
If they glue in the battery it doesn’t cost me anything extra to remove it.
Your time has no value? Can you do my laundry for me, then?
Every minute of my day does not have a monetary value, no. And if your does, I pity you.
Not all value is monetary, although it’s interesting that you default to assuming that.
I honestly don’t care how difficult it is, only if it’s possible
Can you think in the relationship of the two variables?
…wat
The more difficult it is to repair something, the less possible it becomes to repair it.
Damn-near anything is possible to repair with the right training and equipment but there is a very wide spectrum between what an average person can do with tools they can easily pick up at any hardware store for cheap and a little common sense and some YouTube videos to guide them, and repairs that require specialist knowledge and equipment.
When something is made more difficult to repair, it slips further into that specialist end of the spectrum, so it’s possible for less people.
The more difficult it is to repair something, the less possible it becomes to repair it.
That’s not true.
what an average person can do with tools they can easily pick up at any hardware
The tools someone has has nothing to do with difficulty.
Is it easier or harder to tighten a bolt without a wrench?
It’s neither, it’s impossible
You could use pliers, you could very carefully hit the corners of the head in a clockwise direction with a hammer, you could spend a lot of time training the strength in your hand and arm to tighten it by hand, you could use a dremel, saw, or file to cut a slot into it and tighten it with a screwdriver
But it’s a lot easier to use a wrench.
