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This one goes out to all the small government, privacy loving, Republicans out there, supposedly hating invasive big brother tactics and representing the values of the American heartland.
Would be much appreciated if you could have a word with your people about this.
What’s wrong is that officers of the law are allowed to lie like that, yet still want to be respected.
Yeah, it’s frustrating. We need to end Qualified Immunity pronto.
In lying’s defense, they shouldn’t be respected when they say that regardless of its truthiness
Follow Hong Kong tactics and use umbrellas to shield from above.
Laser pointer
Is it plausible this might cause the helicopter to crash somehow? I wouldn’t want to risk that.
Checking out women sunbathing in backyards or other places.
America land of the free /s
A helicopter said all this?
omg I remember that show lmfao
What about walkie talkies? Short wave radios? Older tech comms devices?
What about open source open hardware anti-air missiles?
LOL
From the country meant to represent freedom. No more!
Never was
Wait wdym? Not even in the 18th-19th century?
No, even in 1776, there were contemporaries who mocked a bunch of rich slave owners talking about freedom while stealing land from native americans. American freedom had always been the freedom for the ruling class to exploit the underclass.
correct, see for example the reactions to the US’s decision to invade and seize territory from Mexico, which was largely seen as a betrayal of liberal values that the country was supposedly founded on. Don’t worry, the US isn’t the only country to justify their revolution with promises of liberal ideals like freedom and equality only to expose their true priorities later (namely giving local colonial elites more power than those ruling monarchs in Europe). I recommend reading the chapter on Bolivarian revolutions from the history book Born in Blood and Fire: A Concise History of Latin America for more about the disappointments and failures of liberal revolutions to live up to their promises.
Green lasers. Everybody should have one.
Check comment above. This is a terrible idea. You’ll go from 2 stars to 5.
They have sonic weapons. They run over people with horses and armored vehicles.
But they won’t have copters to track you down and green lasers take out CCDs like nothing else. If they wanted to fly they shouldn’t have weaponized the sky and flight.
One wonders just how viable the Ukranian strategy would be to take out LAPD choppers (when landed, of course).
Omfg, fucking this! We need to take that operational knowledge the Ukrainians have gained and use it to fight and kill these bastards. Ukrainians who are smart, can speak decent English, and are entrepreneurial in spirit should consider becoming consultants to smaller partisan organizations.
Sure, they can work with the Hong Kong protesters, Lamas, and Cuban patriots. Maybe some Free Syra Army guys can help too.
Then fucking come over assholes
sounds like a good reason to target any helicopters flying overhead with green lasers.
Someone I know is a military pilot. The green lasers were especially rough, because the light would get spread through the entire cockpit getting split up by the windshield, and even worse when he was flying with nightvision.
… do with this information what you will.
Federal offense and highly illegal. They take this extremely serious. Whatever target you were before, expect and multiple time increase in tracking doing this. They will make an example of you.
Source. Local police chases and FAA raids/reporting. Do not do this. You’d be better off finding another method.
you know what else is illegal?
- sending 500 Marines to quell a civil protest
- deputizing police as ICE agents
- yanking American citizens out of their homes because they aren’t white enough
- sending Americans to a foreign prison system without trial
I don’t give a flying fuck what they think is illegal anymore since none of them give a shit about the rule of law anymore.
the helicopter is the flying fuck
Well there’s open source open hardware anti-air missiles.
Also it sounds innocuous and green laser diodes cost 2$ so if everyone has them they won’t be able to single out anyone.
Also when tghe copters are down, how are they going to track you? Drones, but that’s the real purpose of the laser CCDs fry much much easier than eyes.
The surveillance state will not stop by beingpolitely ask but by being physically dismantled. The alternative is perpetual subjugation, the end of history, as far as you are concerned you become as useful and helpless as any other farm animal once this power becomes consolidated.
Our democracy is fake because of first past the post, ranked choice is a red herring. Proportionnal representation or your children will live in work farms. Like every fight before, this is an existential crisis for your perpetual subjugation.
They chose to make the sky a weapon, take the sky away from them.
And now the DEA’s got a chopper in the air,
I wake up screamin’ like I’m back over there,
I learned a thing or two from Charlie, don’t you know?
You better stay away from Copperhead Road.
Think a drone could get up above it and drop something into the propeller?
Drop it on the tail prop so they start spinning and get hella dizza and throw up.
I would be shocked if they aren’t equipped with puke bags for such an event and then your plan is foiled.
I used helicopters a lot when I was on mountain rescue.
I never saw an air sick bag
That’s just impolite.
This first thing you should do when going protesting, is to leave your phone at home.
and cover your face if you are in a shithole country like USA, Turkey, Russia etc
USA … the world’s richest third world country.
And cover up your face and any visible tattoos or any other identifying features
Put a rock in your shoe too. Gait identification can be shockingly accurate.
If you think you need a phone, it should be a burner.
That burner cant ever have connected to a cell tower when its near your house, otherwise its not longer a “burner”
Edit: Also: Beware of the possibility of there being malware that logs gyroscope and accelerometer data. Those info can be used to figure out your location, then transmitted whenever it has a chance.
Gyro/accelerometer data isn’t accurate enough to do that. Small errors in the data add up and will quickly drift away from the actual location. You can use it for video game controllers, but not tracking over large distances. Edit: there’s a reason the best VR tracking often uses external methods, not controllers alone.
But most phones have GPS and that’s where the real problem is.
Gps jammers should be peaceful protest standard issue, along with stinkwater drone, foamweapons and open source open hardware anti air missiles
Just so we’re all aware, GPS jammers will invite the interest of the FCC. Now, protests aren’t about being well-behaved, but just know that there’s an entirely different federal agency being brought in.
Well, the cops are here with helicopters, tanks and militarized surveillance, at this point inviting jurisdiction conflicts while also disrupting enemy wireless communication, that feels like a strategic improvement and imposing another dimension of complexity to failing state organs. From crashing their drones, to spoofing their chain of command to blinding and silencing their recon units, neglecting the electromagnetic spectrum is ceding battlespace to the enemy.
That gives me a good idea. A week before the protest buy burners, use them frequently near republican supporters’ house, go to a protest, use your phone all the time in the protest, dump them near the police, let them enjoy the fruits of the regime they supported.
Gotta clean and sterilize them.
Diabolical. In theory, of course. Definitely just in theory.
Having a small faraday bag around is useful too, that’s what I do.
I wouldn’t trust a foil bag to do anything 100%.
the only 100% way to not be caught is not bring it.
it also provides an alibi. “see, my phone was here all day long.”
I’m talking about an actual faraday bag, not a foil bag. That, combined with a powered off device keeps you fairly protected. They aren’t going to get into your phone if it’s powered off.
it also provides an alibi. “see, my phone was here all day long.”
There’s going to be a deviation in usage regardless, it’s not providing an alibi. A gap of time when you’re not using your device that you normally would be is a marker they look for. They key is keeping them locked out (again, power them off).
I mean, a proper Faraday cage will block anything unless the US government has figured out how to break the laws of physics…
A proper Faraday cage, a truly excellent one, just the most Faraday of all the cages, is easily defeated by physical attacks such as getting your phone cloned when you get mass arrested and summarily released on OR.
Faraday cage does not prevent gyroscopes and accelerometers from working. Then if you remove it from a faraday cage in the future, it will transmit all that movement
Since you’re posting this all over the thread, I’ll also have to repeat the information that gyro/accelerometers are not capable of doing that. Small measurement errors stack up and throw it completely off.
Without GPS or tower based error correction any location prediction based on conservation of momentum in the phone will be useless before very long if the phone is moving.
Sounds theoretically possible I guess…
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Not good enough. Phones can figure out its location using gyroscopes and accelerometer, then if at any point in the future, you remove it from the faraday cage, your entire movement logs are transmitted.
Phones can figure out its location using gyroscopes and accelerometer
This is plainly false.
The error stack-up from the imprecision of a phone’s MEMS sensors would make positioning basically impossible after a couple of dozen feet, let alone after hours of walking around.
There are experimental inertial navigation systems that can do what you describe, but they use ultra sensitive magnetometers to detect tiny changes in the behavior of laser suspended ultra cold gas clouds that are only a few hundred atoms large. That is not inside your phone.
You seem to know a lot about this. I’m just generally fascinated by this method of tracking. Would the sensors ever become accurate enough in the future? Or is there a limit to their accuracy due to physics with a small sensor?
It will always be a matter of “for how long?”. Location from integrated acceleration is what we call a stiff problem. Meaning that any error is compounded as you continue to integrate (slight over simplification, but good enough for the point). There will never be a sensor that has zero error, so it’s just a question of how much integration you can do before the errors make the results unusable.
I don’t think their gyroscopes are good enough for that level of inertial navigation. You could just fling it around tossing it up in the air and down again, that would totally mess with its navigation.
The far greater threat is that you just have the phone taken off you. For that reason alone you should use a burner, but I don’t think you should be worried that they can track you based on gyroscope history.
Unless your device is already compromised, that information isnt being logged when the device is powered off so it’s kind of moot.
when a large, trump supporter corporation, with its main business being habit and environment tracking based personalized advertising, has so deep access to your phone as it literally builfs the operating system for it, maybe it is indeed already compromised.
“powered off”
Unless I’m holding the battery in one hand and the phone in the other I don’t trust it being turned off either.
The reason it being turned off matters is because LE has a significantly more difficult time extracting data from that state. And again, a proper faraday bag prevents signal leak.
You guys are welcome to do what you want, I’m just explaining the best way to stay safe if you don’t want to leave your phone at home. There are plenty of legitimate reasons someone may want one as a lifeline just in case.
My concern would be that the police would confiscate my phone. Not that they would necessarily be anything on it, but I don’t want them to have my nice expensive phone. They can have this crappy cheap one instead.
Load the foam with Iranian counter interceptor malware and infect the oppressor from inside. Give them spiked ammo.
Do you have a recommendation for a good cheap android phone (didn’t worry, I’ll run a rom) that one could get to have a “clean” phone?
I’ve been thinking about getting a phone that has none of my socials on it for when I go to Canada to get vaccines
Radios or mesh devices only
I bring my phone. I likely won’t be breaking any laws, and I can afford a lawyer. So yeah arrest me and waste the system’s time. Just another data point they have to sort.
And if it gets to the point where none of that matters we were cooked anyway
Police issues a dispersal order, but blocks all routes to safely leave the area.
Congratulations, you will now be charged as having committed a crime and good luck proving in a court that there was no realistic option for you to leave.
Also police seizes your phone. Congratulations now they access your data and either go after people you have had contact with or they claim you to be part of a criminal organization as they pin other charges on people they found a connection with.
This is the sort of nuts and bolts of protesting that Americans are learning the hard and fast way.
I doubt they will find anything of use. The most powerful thing I can do is slow them down. It’s the best use of my privilege
Lawyers operate in courts. We don’t have due process anymore.
Then as I said we’re already cooked. But also that is demonstrably false anyway. Our judiciary is under heavy threat, but still functioning
Barely functionning isn’t good enough, it has to be beyond reproach but today it has daily miscarriages.
Just go out wearing a MAGA hat. They only have small brains it’ll probably confuse them.
Like how insects are always pretending to be wasps so they don’t get eaten, see it’s scientific.
Or even just dress how they’d expect their own to dress, don’t even need a dumbass hat. I wear an old tan leather jacket and a Swedish combat cap which apparently translates to friend for them. Also applies to the anarchists though, they see my clothes as friendly.
